tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post580961717697185378..comments2024-03-04T07:45:15.155-07:00Comments on Hackman's Musings: Putting someone in a lose-lose situationAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12494823779999456396noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-73283103179885034672009-02-03T08:42:00.000-07:002009-02-03T08:42:00.000-07:00Great post Andrew - I guess I am a fan of honesty ...Great post Andrew - I guess I am a fan of honesty and always will be - and integrity. I have my run-in's with the Mormon faithful - but in the end I just think they are 'good people'...no matter the religion that they think is fact or truth. In the end, all we really need is love anyways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-63194274009417570362009-02-01T14:09:00.000-07:002009-02-01T14:09:00.000-07:00I should note that Mormonism has clearly and consi...I should note that Mormonism has clearly and consistently defined the repentance which (at completion) brings forgiveness as a process that necessarily involves confession, even qualifying it to the point of saying that public sins warrant public confession. So I am simply calling upon the Mormon Church to abide by their own standards. If there's no confession, and no willingness to make a confession, there isn't genuine repentance. Mormonism has been saying that for years.Aaron Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385127979306952044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-5568802096008050562009-02-01T14:03:00.000-07:002009-02-01T14:03:00.000-07:00If the leadership of a 13-million-member heretical...If the leadership of a 13-million-member heretical religion wants to get on my good side, they have to abandon heresy in a clear and repentant fashion. In other words, they can't take the shallow route of <A HREF="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/08/how-does-mormon-doctrine-die/" REL="nofollow">"let's just forget about that..."</A> If the saving work of the Holy Spirit is working through them, then their public sin of wide-impact will be followed up with public repentance.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the watershed is that I really do believe the Holy Spirit would yield the fruits of public repentance in the salvation of the leadership of an institutional religion which has taught heresy for 175 years.Aaron Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385127979306952044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-71824963221799595542009-02-01T13:46:00.000-07:002009-02-01T13:46:00.000-07:00Aaron - It sounds like you have a lot of requireme...Aaron - It sounds like you have a lot of requirements and hoops for people to jump in order to get right with you.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494823779999456396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-26388945194757813042009-02-01T11:08:00.000-07:002009-02-01T11:08:00.000-07:00Never mind the fact that the Mormon temple ceremon...Never mind the fact that the Mormon temple ceremony has been heralded as a restoration of ancient, eternal ordinances, and that the <EM>reason</EM> for the removal of sections in 1990 was never given. Thus, the older generation of Mormons are free to assume that the removed parts are still correct.<BR/><BR/>A parallel situation is Mormon neo-orthodoxy. Millet and friends want to push a more "evanjelly" view of repentance and forgiveness. But never mind the fact that the destructive teachings of the <EM>Miracle of Forgiveness</EM>, etc., are pushed still in LDS distribution centers.<BR/><BR/>What we want is change with integrity, the kind that reflects the work of the Holy Spirit, not something shallow that simply reflects the desire to be more culturally acceptable. It's not sufficient for gigantic religious institutions to quietly move from colossal error. If the change really comes from a penitent heart, it is going to include the elements and fruits of repentance. At the very least, that involves a form of public confession.<BR/><BR/>On a related note, I have long thought that postmodernism fosters a lack of integrity. See, for example, the "Third Way" ("New Order Mormon") approach to Mormonism popular among those who no longer believe in fundamental Mormon truth-claims, but still promote remaining in the religion. Professing Christians who have largely swallowed postmodernism in a similar vein simply do not seem to care about calling people to genuine repentance and integrity.Aaron Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385127979306952044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-58786264401981323922009-01-31T19:43:00.000-07:002009-01-31T19:43:00.000-07:00Excellent post.Excellent post.Adam Gonnermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975190849449996353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-74413629439947755252009-01-31T18:15:00.000-07:002009-01-31T18:15:00.000-07:00I read that post of theirs the other day to. You m...I read that post of theirs the other day to. You make a good point, so true.Thomas Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04609562590483149878noreply@blogger.com