tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post106345877419252009..comments2024-03-04T07:45:15.155-07:00Comments on Hackman's Musings: Digital and Analog ThinkingAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12494823779999456396noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-58472464720383172772013-06-19T15:44:12.045-06:002013-06-19T15:44:12.045-06:00It has taken me a while to land here, but came upo...It has taken me a while to land here, but came upon you by lookling at "analog thinking."<br /><br />See Maslow's "Theory Z" paper in re this notion. If it strikes a chord, please ping me.<br /><br />Orthomentorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252848226717738684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-49279698678561324132009-12-20T23:57:30.585-07:002009-12-20T23:57:30.585-07:00You can talk about Booleans, digital/analog, whate...You can talk about Booleans, digital/analog, whatever; but has anyone considered that maybe Hawkeye is wrong, for moonlighting as a military advisor, when he is really a surgeon? Hawkeye might not have even been right to assume that taking the colonel out of action would help the overall picture. Aggressive military commanders, as in the case of Ulysses S. Grant - who was derided as a butcher for the high casualties of his battles - often end wars quicker than generals who may be seen as more restrained. I don't recall exactly the particular episode of MASH that portrayed this story line, so I don’t know all the details that were presented, but since this is a SITCOM we are talking about, it is questionable how true-to-life the aforementioned scenario may be. No doubt, the colonel was portrayed in an oafish and belligerent manner as much as possible, in order to add sympathy and credence to the Hawkeye course of action.<br /><br />IMO, this discussion could maybe use more focus on the messy details of military strategy, rather than a cozy debate on competing ethical theories. Or maybe the proposed moral dilemma rests on certain assumptions that may not occur in real life. But at any rate, a doctor who did what Hawkeye did is taking things into his own hands, and acting unilaterally. Hmmm... where have we heard that phrase recently?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-49075101777678416852009-09-10T18:38:35.806-06:002009-09-10T18:38:35.806-06:00Wumpus- Good argument, and extra points for using ...Wumpus- Good argument, and extra points for using "Booleans" in a non computer subject! Nice! :)Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494823779999456396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-55267422263474948182009-09-10T15:58:26.032-06:002009-09-10T15:58:26.032-06:00Anon, you are a digital thinker. You can't tre...Anon, you are a digital thinker. You can't treat that M*A*S*H argument as logic equation. Sure both sides have different view point, and they may contradict each other, but it doesn't mean that they are both wrong.<br /><br />It all depends on what moral lens you are looking through. An analog thinker is able to look through a variety of lenses and see an issue from different vantage points. A digital thinker can only view the issue through one lens (thus seeing everything in terms of TRUE/FALSE).<br /><br />Moral issues, though sometimes contradictory, cannot be viewed in terms of Booleans. look up Objectivism.Stubbs28https://www.blogger.com/profile/14782633197930269069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-91826184066884127242009-06-02T21:09:27.022-06:002009-06-02T21:09:27.022-06:00Didymus,
What you are saying is that the statemen...Didymus,<br /><br />What you are saying is that the statements are not truly contradictory. That is, the characters are merely stating their preference, not what is really the truth.<br /><br />There is nothing wrong with people having different preferences. There is also nothing wrong with people having a difference of opinion over what is true. However, it is nonsense to claim that two contradictory claims can both be true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-88719708268135648452009-05-29T16:01:06.673-06:002009-05-29T16:01:06.673-06:00Andrew,
Here is something related to your post I t...Andrew,<br />Here is something related to your post I think you'll find interesting: http://tinyurl.com/r8xs7eThomas Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04609562590483149878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-64677760510479090952009-05-28T10:56:32.359-06:002009-05-28T10:56:32.359-06:00Anonymous,
I understand what you're saying, but yo...Anonymous,<br />I understand what you're saying, but you're wrong. :)<br /><br />That's because BJ and Hawkeye aren't expressing to each other 'The Truth', they are expressing their opinions, their points of view. Hawkeye's perspective is based on a kind of cost analysis in human lives, where BJ's is based on a another kinda of moral code for doctors. They each have their reasons for their beliefs, some of those reasons maybe good, others may be better, but none of them are 'The Truth'.Thomas Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04609562590483149878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-49142807485472779352009-05-28T10:15:50.441-06:002009-05-28T10:15:50.441-06:00If two opposite statements are both true, everythi...If two opposite statements are both true, everything is true.<br /><br />Suppose we have a statement that is both true and false. That is, we have X and ~X ("~" is the not operator). Now, suppose that I want to prove Y. Suppose ~Y. Then, we know X and ~X. Contradiction. This implies Y.<br /><br />Therefore, if you believe Hawkeye and BJ are both true, and they contradict, then I can prove that unicorns exist, or any other silly claim.<br /><br />Another way of looking at this is to consider a logical system where both X and not X could be simultaneously true. In such a system, even if you could prove something, it would be completely meaningless, because as soon as you prove something, its opposite could be true as well. Such a logical system would be completely useless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-144851510010050302009-05-27T15:22:37.720-06:002009-05-27T15:22:37.720-06:00Andy, found the blog you mentioned and left a comm...Andy, found the blog you mentioned and left a comment (wasn't sure if you would find it since it was so far back ...)Sareahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05199298143914804656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-26813064707131759722009-05-25T20:39:53.623-06:002009-05-25T20:39:53.623-06:00Thomas - I think you attract digital people. ;)
S...Thomas - I think you attract digital people. ;)<br /><br />Sarea - You are too kind. I did a piece on spanking a while back that might work as something you disagree with me on. I do not know where you stand on the issue, but I got a fair amount of push back on that one.<br /><br />Red- LOL.. good catch, I totally did not see that!<br /><br />Steve - I have been going through the entire MASH series over the past few months. I have an old, battery-less PDA by my bed that I use to stream audio and video while I sleep (I need noise). I am in season 8 at the moment. <br /><br />When we were young, I just thought Mash was funny, but it is amazing the amount of ethical and societal commentary that was woven into those short episodes. There is another scene that I want to make use of for a blog soon.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494823779999456396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-54155012663999445802009-05-25T19:41:22.493-06:002009-05-25T19:41:22.493-06:00I remember this scene...and it always bothers me a...I remember this scene...and it always bothers me as I don't really know what I would do...<br /><br />Well written piece...and you connected it to MASH. Bonus points there!Steve H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09428882214098606433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-66595191952833020422009-05-25T18:05:10.049-06:002009-05-25T18:05:10.049-06:00Splitting people into two types of thinkers... how...Splitting people into two types of thinkers... how digital of you!<br /><br />:)Redleftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04834798382800790723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-84412682301771076532009-05-25T15:50:32.649-06:002009-05-25T15:50:32.649-06:00I tried to think of something witty to say and com...I tried to think of something witty to say and completely take you out of context at the same time, but my brain isn't functioning at the moment and I am grasping at straws . . .However, I do believe that this is (like all your blogs) very well written. Someday I look forward to you writing something that I completely disagree with so we could have a thoughtful and reasonable conversation about it (I say that because I LIKE to consider myself an analog thinker . . .for the most part anyway.) <br /><br />Carry on . . .Sareahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05199298143914804656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5310981.post-68003296903870398912009-05-25T11:32:50.130-06:002009-05-25T11:32:50.130-06:00I seem to know a lot of digital guys.
Overall, I ...I seem to know a lot of digital guys.<br /><br />Overall, I think we all kind of start out "digital", but as we mature many of us take on a more "analog" spectrum. Life can do that.<br /><br />I read a short book that kinda hits on this issue (it uses different terminology) Link: http://tinyurl.com/qx9bou<br /><br />Now I got that M*A*S*H soundtrack <I>Suicide is painless</I> running through mind. I'm whistling it as type this. At least it's a good tune.Thomas Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04609562590483149878noreply@blogger.com